[ laughter ] anybody can walk all over lehrer. didn't have control of the situation, did he? >> steve: not exactly. >> not control of the crowd or the guys there. he could be an nfl ref. thank you. [ laughter ] >> steve: probably to replace them. what did you think about the president? so many people on-line, the pundits talking about how the president was very flat. >> i haven't seen a brother lose his cool that quickly since cuba gooding junior did in daddy day camp. you know what i'm saying? >> brian: i didn't know he was in that. "daddy day camp." >> whatever. better than the jinga reference. i'll sit on your knee. we'll be okay. >> brian: this is 90 minutes. you guys sat there together for 90 minutes. any other observations pop out at you? >> i'm looking forward to the vice presidential debate as well. that's kind of like watching inbreds fight on "the cops." fun to watch, but doesn't really mean anything. >> gretchen: it might. so walter, you believe that debates don't matter then? some people thought that. but i don't know, after last night. >> look, he and i have been